Grammy’s ‘Waldorf Icing’: The Best Red Velvet Cake Icing - From Fermenting To Finance (2024)

This icing is highly recommended for red velvet cake, but can be used for other cakes, too. The icing can be adjusted to a chocolate, lemon, or strawberry flavor as well! And best of all, can be made dairy and gluten free.

Good to know ahead of time: This is not the best for piping. This is a dolloping icing because of its feathery texture that doesn’t hold a firm shape.

It’s light, airy and delicious and often referred to as a $300 icing as a result.

Family Tradition

I fell in love with Grammy’s red velvet cake at a very young age. It began as a tradition to bake for MY mom, then soon the tradition continued with me! Now, we find excuses to make it on other holidays, such as Christmas and even St. Patrick’s Day!

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I grew up believing all red velvet cake was the best cake out there. Turns out the best was just Grammy’s…

That’s because every time I had red velvet cake that wasn’t made by Grammy, I couldn’t help but feel like something was off. And it was: It was the icing!

What does ‘Waldorf’ refer to?

Most red velvet chocolate cakes today have a cream cheese frosting. This frosting is not that. This frosting harkens back to the original 1930’s version first marketed by the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, then later sold in imitation as a baking kit in grocery stores by the Adam’s Extract company.

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Side note: if you’re reading the Adam’s recipe above and wondering whether it’s worth trying, I highly recommend skipping and jumping to the end to use Grammy’s recipe below.

Is there another name for this icing?

Made with a milk and butter base; Grammy’s icing is made with ingredients you already have laying around the kitchen! This icing is essentially a roux and also goes by other names like:

  • flour buttercream because it looks like a traditional buttercream frosting
  • ermine icing since it’s fluffy like an ermine coat
  • miracle icing due to its magical process of becoming fluffy
  • and $300 icing! That’s because it tastes like a million dollars (which is what $300 probably felt like back when the recipe was invented).

It’s a light yet creamy texture. The flavor is distinctive with a subtle sweetness that pairs perfectly with red velvet cake without overpowering it.

Side Note on Red Velvet Cake

The cake itself has a quite interesting history, which you can read more about at Cheryl’s Cookies. I was surprised to learn 3 things:

  • The 1930’s version is not the first red velvet cake, but is the first to use red food coloring.
  • The first red color, originally referred to as a mahogany cake, came from the unique combination of unprocessed cocoa power, vinegar and buttercream that causes a chemical reaction turning the cake a reddish hue.
  • Red velvet cake is NOT chocolate cake. It calls for far less cocoa powder. It also calls for vinegar which creates a unique texture you don’t find in chocolate cake.

Now back to the icing!

Icing Ingredients

Five ingredients total:

  • 1 cup of granulated sugar
  • 1 cup of real butter (two sticks)
  • 1 cup of milk; I’ve learned any milk works, including plant based milks, but the fattier, the better. My personal favorite to use is oat milk!
  • 4-5 tablespoons flour; I’ve experimented with gluten free flours and they work too! For gluten free flour, use approximately 8-10 tablespoons.
  • 1 teaspoon of vanilla

Icing Directions

1. Dissolve flour into a thick paste with some water.

2. Cook milk and flour paste in heavy small pan on low heat until flour is dissolved. It’s easy to get lumps at this stage, so don’t get discouraged. Keep cooking and stirring.

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3. Let the flour and milk mixture cool. Grammy picks out any big lumps at this time. You can also strain.

4. Add butter, sugar, and vanilla into a mixer and cream. Then add the chilled milk mixture, whipping vigorously for 5-7 minutes. If you try to do this hot, the butter will melt.

5. Make sure you refrigerate the cake before you ice the cake. Even if it’s just warm, the icing will melt. Ask me how I know… see the second image below.

Luckily, it still tastes the same!

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Waldorf Icing Recipe

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Bonus: Grammy’s Red Velvet Cake Recipe

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Interested in seeing Grammy’s other recipes?

See my post on Grammy’s secret ingredient for a Thanksgiving turkey (spoiler alert: it’s tomato juice!).

Bonus Image

I scored an image of Grammy when she first began making this cake!

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Starting in the 70’s Grammy worked as a hair dresser in Dale’s Hair Salon. This place was awesome to visit as a kid as there was always candy. On one half of the building was a super swanky fast paced salon, while the other half was, of all things, what appeared to be an abandoned dusty frame shop. Both halves were open to each another and owned by a couple named Sandra and Dale. I can still remember the smell of frosted hair chemicals mixed with wood dust.

In all my childhood, I never did see the fame shop used, and now as an adult have to wonder, “what was that really about?” Could it have been a cover for buying “fine art” because they did acquire a collection of things that were too off color to show in public. (They were literally hidden in their home basem*nt and I can remember our family being given a private tour that weirded me out… I digress!)

Anywho, I learned the cake tradition began when Grammy’s client at the hairdressing salon brought in a cake. From there, Grammy ordered a few cakes for my mom’s birthday, and eventually got the recipe! And the rest is history. With some history we may not want to know the answers to.

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FAQs

What does vinegar do in a red velvet cake? ›

White Vinegar: It sounds like a strange ingredient in a cake, but it is essential in a red velvet cake. This recipe calls for baking soda to leaven the cake (make the cake rise). The small amount of added vinegar allows the soda to do its best work.

What makes a red velvet cake a red velvet cake? ›

Today, red velvet cake is made by combining cocoa powder, butter, sugar, eggs, and flour as well as buttermilk, vinegar, and red food coloring that gives the cake its iconic red tint. In a classic red velvet cake, cream cheese frosting is paired but the cake can be really be frosted with anything.

Is buttercream or cream cheese frosting better for red velvet? ›

Cream cheese frosting is the classic choice for red velvet cake! Its tangy flavor complements the sweetness of the cake layers.

What is the best type of icing for cake decorating? ›

Royal icing is one of the best icings for decorating cakes. Mixing together powdered sugar, egg whites, and meringue powder or liquid provides a consistency relative to pancake batter. This makes it easy to pour into pastry bags to fulfill your decorating dreams.

What can I use instead of distilled vinegar in red velvet cake? ›

If you don't want to use vinegar, you can substitute an equal amount of lemon juice. If you want to skip the acidic liquid altogether, you can substitute a tablespoon of baking powder for each teaspoon of baking soda. Then add water equal to the amount of vinegar you omitted.

What does distilled vinegar do for a cake? ›

Vinegar helps with the rise of our baked goods

When vinegar reacts with baking soda, it creates carbon dioxide bubbles, which act as leavening agents. So as the batter bakes, these tiny bubbles expand, causing the cake to rise and giving it that light, airy texture we all love.

What is the best cocoa powder for red velvet cake? ›

The Best Cocoa for Red Velvet Cake Is Natural Cocoa

Natural cocoa is the best cocoa for red velvet cake for two reasons. With a higher acidity, natural cocoa works with the cake's baking soda and buttermilk to leaven the cake to a tight, tender crumb. The results are an almost melt-in-your-mouth tender cake.

How do I make my red velvet cake more red? ›

Some ways to do this is by substituting baking powder in place of baking soda, using a natural non-alkalized cocoa powder, adding more white vinegar or buttermilk to your red velvet recipe, to achieve a bright red color.

Why did my red velvet cake turn brown? ›

The red food colouring makes the cake batter prone to splitting, and turns everything it touches red; a couple of grams over on the cocoa powder and the cake goes brown instead of a rich red; the cream cheese frosting has a tendency to turn to gloop at the very last minute for no apparent reason; and the list goes on.

What kind of frosting do most bakeries use? ›

1. Buttercream Frosting. Buttercream frostings rely on the main ingredient of butter and will be the most common type of frosting you will find in a bakery.

How do you make red velvet frosting thicker? ›

Most frostings are made with powdered sugar (otherwise known as confectioners' sugar or icing sugar), which contains cornstarch to prevent it from caking. Adding more powdered sugar can be an effective way and the easiest way of absorbing too much liquid to achieve thicker frosting.

Does red velvet cake with buttercream frosting need to be refrigerated? ›

If your cake is frosted with buttercream, it will last covered at room temperature for up to four days. However, it is best to refrigerate cakes with other frostings such as cream cheese or ganache.

What frosting do professionals use for cakes? ›

SWISS MERINGUE BUTTERCREAM FROSTING

Soft and fluffy, this buttercream is great for filling layers or frosting cakes. Hints & Tips: Since Swiss buttercream is so soft, it's better used for frosting cakes rather than piping or decorating. Make sure mixture is cool before adding butter, otherwise your butter will melt.

What is the hard icing on cake called? ›

Royal icing is a hard white icing, made from softly beaten egg whites, icing sugar (powdered sugar), and sometimes lemon or lime juice. It is used to decorate Christmas cakes, wedding cakes, gingerbread houses, cookies, and many other cakes and biscuits.

What does Ermine frosting taste like? ›

The flavor has a bright vanilla and milky-dairy flavor with the slightest taste of butter at the end. Some describe it as similar to whipped cream. This is reasonably accurate - whipped cream is well, cream, and this frosting has a large proportion of butter and milk.

What happens if you forget to put vinegar in red velvet cake? ›

You will get a very dense cake. Baking soda and vinegar do nothing for the taste (they neutralize itself in this cake) but work as leavening agent.

Why do red velvet cupcakes have vinegar? ›

Although most red velvet cake recipes contain acidic ingredients such as buttermilk and cocoa, the addition of vinegar provides just a little extra acid to ensure the baking soda can do its best rising work.

What does apple cider vinegar do in a cake? ›

The reason that you'll see apple cider vinegar or vinegar in a lot of vegan baked goods is because it helps with the leavening. It's an acid and it helps the cakes to rise.

What does too much vinegar do to cake? ›

If too much vinegar is added to a recipe, it can make the dish overly sour and unbalanced in flavor. This can also make the texture of the dish unappetizing.

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